Curse

Joe Fierce · May 27, 2010, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Anet has changed their stance on issues on many occasions. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, what matters is their stance NOW.

which is what I'd like to see, nothing more.

Wynthyst · May 27, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Anet has changed their stance on issues on many occasions. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, what matters is their stance NOW.

I don't know exactly when Anet has ever said anything about not banning the drunkard bots. From my memory, it's always been banable if reported.

Shadar · May 27, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

3 or so weeks ago I wrote this in the petition thread - "I don't expect anything will actually be done. Prove me wrong anet, please".
Just wanted to say thx for proving me wrong

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Everyone here who even has to ask about cheating is a likely cheater. Sad. It's people like yourselves who are ruining PC gaming for the casual folk.

Gill Halendt · May 27, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by windtalker

Again, people seem to forget the times when ANet employees said that Drunkard bots would not be pursued as "cheating."

People seem to forget that some early adopters of the G15 keyboard got banned. So either Anet employees don't know how their detection methods work, or you don't remember right...

byteme! · May 27, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

which is what I'd like to see, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Anet already mentioned what was acceptable in THIS thread and IN GAME. Anything NOT mentioned is subject to termination. This INCLUDES DRUNKARD BOT because it was NEVER EVER EVER mentioned as one of the acceptable 3rd party programs. Are you that dense or did you not get that message?

I see you have selective reading. You only read what you to and ignore everything else.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

Everyone here who even has to ask about cheating is a likely cheater. Sad. It's people like yourselves who are ruining PC gaming for the casual folk.

Casual is just another word for bad, tbh.

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I don't know exactly when Anet has ever said anything about not banning the drunkard bots. From my memory, it's always been banable if reported.

Links?

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by byteme!

I see you have selective reading. You only read what you to and ignore everything else.

Exclusion does not equal an official response.

Amaurosis · May 27, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

And my egg timer is a hardware that gives me an advantage to know when to clicky clicky.

As was said, I guess I'll hang for my eggtimer, and since were living in such a state many people should expect to get their hands chopped off for stealing turnips in order to feed their starving families.

You're making absolutely no sense. You're attempting to compare an automated program to you paying attention and playing the game. People use their Hero Panel to monitor whenever a minute has passed as an indicator to when to use another alcohol. You are no different than these individuals as you too are using a source of time to distinguish when to use an item. Yet, you decide to argue against the very same people who use a technique that you do and support those who are wrong. When a minute has passed you have to manually apply another alcohol and continue to monitor the Hero Panel (or in your case an egg timer) as an indicator to when you have to actively do something again. However the bot is different. It requires no human intervention. It automates this task for you and in doing so allows you to progress through the game without playing it and is against the EULA.
At first this thread was entertaining me but now it is just annoying that is has been continuing this long. Please end this argument, you have no basis for why these people should be ban. Even though they may have a direct or indirect affect on others, the fact still remains that they violated the EULA and ANET has every right (You did click "I Agree") to terminate those accounts.

Kumu Honua · May 27, 2010, 12:46 AM // 00:46

The Drunkard bot is like Marijuana. Many people don't care you use it, but you can still get arrested for it.

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

People seem to forget that some early adopters of the G15 keyboard got banned. So either Anet employees don't know how their detection methods work, or you don't remember right...

Well there are one of two things. But for this one is More likely.

Arenanet just can't (and dosen't have the resources) to come into your PC and look at the hardware connected, they just can't do that. They could set up GW to look for specific processes related to bot programs, also look at DLL injection on how bots work but on the note of the G15 im almost 100% positive that there is a method that allows them to view actions input from accounts when they interact with the servers and the repetitive actions from the G15 macros clicking caused them to appear as bots. Not the G15's hardware being looked as a bot but the hardware doing the clicking being input to your PC then out to the servers just looked like classic bot activity.

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Originally Posted by Oggy

Casual is just another word for bad, tbh.

Yet, I beat the goddamned game without a bot, got several 15k sets without a bot and because of this my account still exists, so who is BAD? Tell me please, douchebag.

Regulus X · May 27, 2010, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

Texmod gives an advantage to those doing cartographer. So why isn't it banned?

Logically, Cartography has zero effect on other players or the economy, hence, the textmod is acceptable. When comparing this minor navigation tool to an interrupt or monk bot in PvP however, the PvP bot rewards scripted and inhuman actions and reflexes against other players, resulting in increased Balthazar faction gains, HoH chest drops, and a titular boost in the Hero/Champ/Gladiator tiers. It's rewarding a bunch of botting phonies who otherwise wouldn't be capable of winning matches because they'd probably miss a good half of the spells they're trying to interrupt without a script/macro. Rupt scripts enables cheaters to stomp legitimate players who're actual playing and using their own real human actions and reflexes. Major difference, huh?

To Chicken To Die · May 27, 2010, 12:48 AM // 00:48

ANETTTT <3<3

I to wonder what has been lost any estimation on lost ecto's/high-end mini's/EL tonics/R15 hero and zaichen/Gold-Silver-Bronze trims totally gone.

Also why your added put up a hall of shame with all banned usernames so I can get my toon in that hall and use /laugh some times to make me feel good.

And for those QQ about drunkbots. THERE BOTS AND GIVE YOU AN ADVENTAGE. Even if it does not hurt the economy it makes you get something you don't deserve, IF a guildwars employee made any stance of it being not legal print screen and send to support and let them handle it since it's for there superiors to take action. Still you were using bots wich is not allowed and stated in the terms/rules. So GTFO you fail.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

The Drunkard bot is like Marijuana. Many people don't care you use it, but you can still get arrested for it.

Good analogies make me happy.

Martin Alvito · May 27, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Good analogy. The cops don't stop every car that passes and search it for marijuana.

But if they happen to stop you for some other reason and discover it, GG.

Can't prove that anyone has been perma-ed for drunkard botting, but they're well within their rights to do it.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Logically, Cartography has zero effect on other players or the economy, hence, the textmod is acceptable. When comparing this minor navigation tool to an interrupt or monk bot in PvP however, the PvP bot rewards scripted and inhuman actions and reflexes against other players, resulting in increased Balthazar faction gains, HoH chest drops, and a titular boost in the Hero/Champ/Gladiator tiers. It's rewarding a bunch of botting phonies who otherwise wouldn't be capable of winning matches because they'd probably miss a good half of the spells they're trying to interrupt without a script/macro. Rupt scripts enables cheaters to stomp legitimate players who're actual playing and using their own real human actions and reflexes. Major difference, huh?

You're lacking context for that reply, it was specific to texmod v autoclicker.

Amaurosis · May 27, 2010, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

On the contrary, I use an egg timer to not have to pay attention.

When the egg timer beeps, is a program automating activation of another alcohol? Wether or not you have your attention focused elsewhere when that egg timer beeps you're attention is shifted towards the game as you apply another alcohol.

Greed[Exs] · May 27, 2010, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by hattara

No, maybe you should read that again. The first paragraph has several OR statements:

(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if:

you breach this Agreement

or

willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights,

or

if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us,

or

upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game(s) as described in the Rules of Conduct.

That last part? Extremely relevant.

That last part? Yeah, it's there, but it's undefined. It's been proven time and time again that was is considered inappropriate from one person to the next is not necessarily the same, so unless what the deem as inappropriate is knowledge made available, you can't possibly expect to have action taken on an unknown variable. For example, I find the female elementalist dance inappropriate, not that I care, nor am I the least bit worried about what is inappropriate because it doesn't bother me. But I would have the say that the female elementalist dance would promote sexual activity, not to mention the provocative "lack of clothing" on certain professions such as again, the female elementalist among others. But, like I said, it doesn't bother me, but inappropriate is undefined.

All in all, I don't think you should make comments on a situation that you don't know the details to, I think way too many people jump to conclusions around here and none of them know the backstory.

Countess Marie · May 27, 2010, 12:55 AM // 00:55

lol... no excuses.

-CM

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You're lacking context for that reply, it was specific to texmod v drunkard bot.

There is one texture address out of over a few hundred thousand that relates to the map's fog. It was discovered and usable for users of TM boo hoo big deal, but the drunkard bot... j just give it up already. Were comparing a tool that plays with any textures you want for fun sake and one that automates game play. There is no contest.